What
do you say to those who say Sharia sentences are not being carried out?
Sharia
sentences are followed. The only area where we don't have any cases in court, is
stoning to death.
We had
two amputations in the past. But you do not want amputations every time. People
don't steal now in Zamfara.
Why
are more severe sentences, like stoning to death, not being carried out?
Well,
you see, the essence of Sharia law itself is to deter people from committing
offences. That is why there a lot of provisions in the law for appeals and if
proper procedures are followed, you hardly find any people given such sentences.
I will
compare this issue with the Ten Commandments of the Bible. The essence of the
law is to insure that people fear God and know their responsibility to God, and
to fellow human beings and the responsibility of the government.
For
example, it is the responsibility of the government and the society at large to
ensure the basic needs of the people are provided. And once you provide society
with basic needs, you will hardly find anybody stealing.
Are
you not worried some people in the state might think you are going a bit soft?
I am not
worried at all because every Friday from 1000 to 1200 we enlighten people on
what is Sharia. Before the introduction of Sharia in Zamfara, people did not
understand what it was about.
They
thought that Sharia was like in the past - we behead people, we amputate people.
But now they know what Sharia is all about and they are happy that we have
Sharia.
What
is the view in northern Nigeria on the abolition of the death penalty?
It's not
only northern Nigeria, which has the problem of abolishing the death penalty. It
touches on the faith and belief of Muslims all over the world.
Muslims
believe that the holy crime is supreme and once there is any problem associated
with the killing of a human being, the penalty is death for those who have
killed other people.
If you
say that you are abolishing such sentences, it is as if as you are removing some
verses of the Koran from the Holy Koran.
What
would happen if the Nigerian Federal State abolished the death penalty - would
Sharia law have to comply with that?
It is
not possible, because the majority of the members of the Nigerian national
assembly are Muslims. Not only the northerners - we have a lot of southerners
who are Muslims. So I never think of what will happen, because I know the law
will not be passed by our national assembly.
Why
are Muslims so in favour of the death penalty, when a lot of countries now think
it is barbaric to kill somebody and have the state take revenge in that way?
Well,
because we believe that if you have a society that allows killing of human
beings and just be imprisoned you will find people ready to commit murder easily.
But if
you know that you are going to be killed when you kill, you will think twice
before you kill anybody.
What
about the adage that two wrongs don't make it right?
The
definition of wrong is subjective. We have to define what is wrong and what is
right.
As far
as I am concerned, it is not wrong to kill somebody who kills.